Comments on: The real reason comes out for PS3 http://www.daniels.net.nz/2007/10/19/the-real-reason-comes-out-for-ps3/ Opinions, like they mattered Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:16:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Jonathan Giles http://www.daniels.net.nz/2007/10/19/the-real-reason-comes-out-for-ps3/#comment-17005 Jonathan Giles Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:18:51 +0000 http://www.daniels.net.nz/2007/10/19/the-real-reason-comes-out-for-ps3/#comment-17005 The 60GB has not been discontinued AFAIK - and that will continue to have BC. In regards to your $US27 comment, consider economics - Sony sell the PS3 at a loss. Sell a PS3 with $US27 less cost involved, they save $US27. Sell a million consoles at a $US27 saving, they save $US27 Million dollars. Over the life of a PS3, who knows how many consoles could be sold, but they could easily save hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars. That's a _lot_ of money! $US27 is based on peoples approximations, personally I don't know nor care, but if you're bleeding money, considering the economics, this is a lot of money in the bank that isn't going down the drain. The 60GB has not been discontinued AFAIK - and that will continue to have BC.

In regards to your $US27 comment, consider economics - Sony sell the PS3 at a loss. Sell a PS3 with $US27 less cost involved, they save $US27. Sell a million consoles at a $US27 saving, they save $US27 Million dollars. Over the life of a PS3, who knows how many consoles could be sold, but they could easily save hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars. That’s a _lot_ of money!

$US27 is based on peoples approximations, personally I don’t know nor care, but if you’re bleeding money, considering the economics, this is a lot of money in the bank that isn’t going down the drain.

]]> By: Daniel http://www.daniels.net.nz/2007/10/19/the-real-reason-comes-out-for-ps3/#comment-17004 Daniel Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:01:28 +0000 http://www.daniels.net.nz/2007/10/19/the-real-reason-comes-out-for-ps3/#comment-17004 I did do a little bit more of a dig and found that yes, there is a Graphics Synthesizer "of some form." I'm not against having no BC as a good idea... I'm saying that it's not a good idea <em>right now</em>. It has been less than a year and Sony have already dropped it completely, before there is anything really stellar for everyone else to really go out and buy one. There are still some great games coming out on the PS2, and there will be great games coming out for the PS3 over the next year. Maybe next year, but not right now, and I certainly didn't expect Sony to lose interest in BC so soon. And, yeah, I have a PS2 myself. It's close to being on its way out, so I was hoping that the PS3 can be a replacement. Unfortunately it isn't the case anymore. I did do a little bit more of a dig and found that yes, there is a Graphics Synthesizer “of some form.”

I’m not against having no BC as a good idea… I’m saying that it’s not a good idea right now. It has been less than a year and Sony have already dropped it completely, before there is anything really stellar for everyone else to really go out and buy one. There are still some great games coming out on the PS2, and there will be great games coming out for the PS3 over the next year. Maybe next year, but not right now, and I certainly didn’t expect Sony to lose interest in BC so soon.

And, yeah, I have a PS2 myself. It’s close to being on its way out, so I was hoping that the PS3 can be a replacement. Unfortunately it isn’t the case anymore.

]]> By: Jonathan Giles http://www.daniels.net.nz/2007/10/19/the-real-reason-comes-out-for-ps3/#comment-17003 Jonathan Giles Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:54:10 +0000 http://www.daniels.net.nz/2007/10/19/the-real-reason-comes-out-for-ps3/#comment-17003 I believe you are mistaken. The first version had the EE+GS on one chip, the second version had no EE, just a GS (EE was done in software), the third version (40GB) does not have a EE or GS, and hence software emulation is not feasible (yet, who knows if they can emulate a PS2 GS). I refer you to http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2007/0314/kaigai02l.gif for more information regarding the architecture of the PS3 in it's version 1 and 2 builds. I believe you are mistaken. The first version had the EE+GS on one chip, the second version had no EE, just a GS (EE was done in software), the third version (40GB) does not have a EE or GS, and hence software emulation is not feasible (yet, who knows if they can emulate a PS2 GS).

I refer you to http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2007/0314/kaigai02l.gif for more information regarding the architecture of the PS3 in it’s version 1 and 2 builds.

]]> By: Daniel http://www.daniels.net.nz/2007/10/19/the-real-reason-comes-out-for-ps3/#comment-17002 Daniel Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:31:12 +0000 http://www.daniels.net.nz/2007/10/19/the-real-reason-comes-out-for-ps3/#comment-17002 And from the looks of things the PS2 EE+GS chip is about US$27. And from the looks of things the PS2 EE+GS chip is about US$27.

]]> By: Daniel http://www.daniels.net.nz/2007/10/19/the-real-reason-comes-out-for-ps3/#comment-17001 Daniel Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:29:36 +0000 http://www.daniels.net.nz/2007/10/19/the-real-reason-comes-out-for-ps3/#comment-17001 Then second version of the PS3 (the one we got) actually did not have the graphics synthesizer either. It is all software based. They actually aren't removing any hardware with regards to backwards compatibility. The Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesizer have been a single chip for some time. Then second version of the PS3 (the one we got) actually did not have the graphics synthesizer either. It is all software based. They actually aren’t removing any hardware with regards to backwards compatibility. The Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesizer have been a single chip for some time.

]]> By: Jonathan Giles http://www.daniels.net.nz/2007/10/19/the-real-reason-comes-out-for-ps3/#comment-16999 Jonathan Giles Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:03:18 +0000 http://www.daniels.net.nz/2007/10/19/the-real-reason-comes-out-for-ps3/#comment-16999 Actually, it saves them considerable money, as they have been able to remove all traces of the PS2 hardware from the PS3, such as the PS2 graphics synthesizer. This allows for them to save considerable money. I think your complaints are lazy - you don't seem to consider the fact that a cheaper PS3 without BC is a great idea - I have a PS2 available to me if I want to borrow one - so why should I spend another $300-$400 on a PS3 with BC if I don't need it?! In summary: First version of PS3 with hardware BC: Basically had a PS2 in it with the Emotion engine (CPU) and Graphics Synthesizer (GPU). Second version of PS3 with software BC: Had no Emotion engine (CPU) but included the Graphics Synthesizer (GPU) for the software BC. Current 40Gb version of PS3 with no BC: Excludes both Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesizer. Actually, it saves them considerable money, as they have been able to remove all traces of the PS2 hardware from the PS3, such as the PS2 graphics synthesizer. This allows for them to save considerable money.

I think your complaints are lazy - you don’t seem to consider the fact that a cheaper PS3 without BC is a great idea - I have a PS2 available to me if I want to borrow one - so why should I spend another $300-$400 on a PS3 with BC if I don’t need it?!

In summary:
First version of PS3 with hardware BC: Basically had a PS2 in it with the Emotion engine (CPU) and Graphics Synthesizer (GPU).

Second version of PS3 with software BC: Had no Emotion engine (CPU) but included the Graphics Synthesizer (GPU) for the software BC.

Current 40Gb version of PS3 with no BC: Excludes both Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesizer.

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